The other day, a friend of mine sent me a text message asking why I haven’t set up a Patreon for my podcasts.

“Why would I do that?” I asked.

“Asks the person who has wondered how he can get paid for the podcast he puts out,” he replied.

There were a few more exchanges after this, but you get the idea.

This was being asked by one of my closest friends and I know that it was absolutely from a space of love and out of the belief that what I do has value – monetary value – and he wants to see that value acknowledged in dollars. And to be fair, he has a valid point. I do too. But it’s not a simple as if/then – as in if you produce a podcast — or any creative work for that matter — then you’ll get paid for it. There are a lot of moving parts, so to really unpack it, we have to have an honest conversation about podcasting and money.

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Arnaud Sagnier is a terrific collage artist who publishes under the name @Grafikstreet. His work is a mashup of vintage and modern aesthetics and the way he combines source material is just fantastic.

Tom Crouch is a British singer songwriter who I found through a collaboration he did with the band Joseph, who Adrianne and I saw with Dawes and Shovels and Rope a couple months ago. You can find Tom @liminalofficial

Tim Okamura is an incredible painter who blows me away with every new piece. His technique is tight but loose. His subject matter is powerful and he just seems like a super cool guy.


Music in this episode: The Wrong Way (Jahzzar) / CC BY-SA 4.0